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		<title>By: aletheia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ bloonsterific, you are welcome.</description>
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		<title>By: bloonsterific</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloonsterific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to tell you all know how much I appreciate your postings guys.
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		<title>By: K2</title>
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		<dc:creator>K2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike, thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: K2</title>
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		<dc:creator>K2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Emma and urxlnc thanks. I appreciate your comments</description>
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		<title>By: urxlnc</title>
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		<dc:creator>urxlnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>k2

absolutely, i agree with the gist of the post i apologise perhaps didnt make that too clear earlier, i was in a bt of a rush.

there is nothing wrong with being proud of ones culture or roots or whatever else forms ones background.

the problems as you point out and i rather laboriously indicated are when 

a) its used to deny or provide preferential services/goods

b) when this turns into a source of bigotry or chauvinism i.e when one person/group assumes their background or group to be superior to others and either lead to intolerance, abuse or other derogatory treatment 

c) the third issue closely related to (b) is when one tries to &quot;force&quot; or coerce or otherwise hound others to adopt their culture as best practice (sometimes using frivolous or ambiguous reason such as we are better off because ...)

both (b) and (c) above are the source for or contribute largely to stereotyping and associated lame/hurtful or good natured jokes.

etc.

in order to move forward especially in kenya we need to define services and minimum standards acceptable which must be adhered to and optional premium services at a fee or other known and published measurement so that any who &quot;qualify&quot; have access. and move away from this village talk/tribal whispers to gain favor or advantage.

other countries have defined the discriminatory practices that will not be tolerated in providing services

viz  gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, age,  disability, etc

overall am glad you&#039;ve made a excellent attempt to touch on this subject and hope you are able to reach others out there as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k2</p>
<p>absolutely, i agree with the gist of the post i apologise perhaps didnt make that too clear earlier, i was in a bt of a rush.</p>
<p>there is nothing wrong with being proud of ones culture or roots or whatever else forms ones background.</p>
<p>the problems as you point out and i rather laboriously indicated are when </p>
<p>a) its used to deny or provide preferential services/goods</p>
<p>b) when this turns into a source of bigotry or chauvinism i.e when one person/group assumes their background or group to be superior to others and either lead to intolerance, abuse or other derogatory treatment </p>
<p>c) the third issue closely related to (b) is when one tries to &#8220;force&#8221; or coerce or otherwise hound others to adopt their culture as best practice (sometimes using frivolous or ambiguous reason such as we are better off because &#8230;)</p>
<p>both (b) and (c) above are the source for or contribute largely to stereotyping and associated lame/hurtful or good natured jokes.</p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>in order to move forward especially in kenya we need to define services and minimum standards acceptable which must be adhered to and optional premium services at a fee or other known and published measurement so that any who &#8220;qualify&#8221; have access. and move away from this village talk/tribal whispers to gain favor or advantage.</p>
<p>other countries have defined the discriminatory practices that will not be tolerated in providing services</p>
<p>viz  gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, age,  disability, etc</p>
<p>overall am glad you&#8217;ve made a excellent attempt to touch on this subject and hope you are able to reach others out there as well.</p>
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		<title>By: K2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ urxlnc thanks. at least we agree on the fact that the unwarranted discriminate giving and reception of goods and services at the expense of others is retrogressive and forms the core of tribalism - especially the way we know it in Kenya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ urxlnc thanks. at least we agree on the fact that the unwarranted discriminate giving and reception of goods and services at the expense of others is retrogressive and forms the core of tribalism &#8211; especially the way we know it in Kenya.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog, will read more when I have time! xx</description>
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		<title>By: urxlnc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to add to that, its when opportunities, services or products and other goods whether in public or private enterprise that should otherwise be availed to all in a given standard, if they are denied to a person or given to lower standard that is not articulated thats when its negative, we all know that economic discrimination is practiced and to some extent acceptable (business class vs economy class in planes for example) where paying a premium price provides you added value or comfort. what govts (and people friendly corporations) are supposed to do is establish minimum acceptable standards for the rest  of the world and then have a select choice for those who want to and can afford to pay to be above the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to add to that, its when opportunities, services or products and other goods whether in public or private enterprise that should otherwise be availed to all in a given standard, if they are denied to a person or given to lower standard that is not articulated thats when its negative, we all know that economic discrimination is practiced and to some extent acceptable (business class vs economy class in planes for example) where paying a premium price provides you added value or comfort. what govts (and people friendly corporations) are supposed to do is establish minimum acceptable standards for the rest  of the world and then have a select choice for those who want to and can afford to pay to be above the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: urxlnc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, admit have not read the entire post but will do so in due course.

i agree in principle,  but i would like to add that its not so much on the underlying semantics or interchangeable vocabularies ethnicity vs tribal or some other glorified or catchy buzzword. one only succeeds in roping in other hitherto harmless concepts into the same dark dungeon.

to understand negative ethnicity or tribalism (and for that matter any other differentiator such as race, religion, gender etc that leads to segregationist practice) we need to understand and evaluate the discriminatory practices themselves.

for example you join a queue for a rare commodity - if the person serving at the counter denies you the service or product  or on the other hand gives you preferential treatment while denying or at the expense of others based on whichever factor (race, tribe, height, girth, gender, religion .... you name it..) that there is a huge problem and that person should face criminal charges if they denied you services / products and both of you should face charges if you were provided preferential treatment at the expense of others.

however if you are on the queue and everyone is served equally with the product and services but on if on reaching the service counter the person serving engages you a little more on conversation/pleasantries due to common interests (culture, tribe, sports, gender, etc) without break in service or denying the others or is a little short for the opposite reasons but the product/services are still of the desired standard then i venture to say that is acceptable.

my point is - in order to deal with negative ethnicity/tribalism and other discriminatory practice we need to focus not so much on the diversity but on establishing the minimum acceptable standards for product and service delivery to clients/customers. once that is achieved, everything else is immaterial. you will notice that is the emphasis in countries dealing with race or religious issues, that way it does not matter whether the guy serving hates you or loves you, the product/service received is of the quality or standard expected

sorry had to repeat myself in there several times for the sake of clarity, many tend to misunderstand my brants (blog rants)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, admit have not read the entire post but will do so in due course.</p>
<p>i agree in principle,  but i would like to add that its not so much on the underlying semantics or interchangeable vocabularies ethnicity vs tribal or some other glorified or catchy buzzword. one only succeeds in roping in other hitherto harmless concepts into the same dark dungeon.</p>
<p>to understand negative ethnicity or tribalism (and for that matter any other differentiator such as race, religion, gender etc that leads to segregationist practice) we need to understand and evaluate the discriminatory practices themselves.</p>
<p>for example you join a queue for a rare commodity &#8211; if the person serving at the counter denies you the service or product  or on the other hand gives you preferential treatment while denying or at the expense of others based on whichever factor (race, tribe, height, girth, gender, religion &#8230;. you name it..) that there is a huge problem and that person should face criminal charges if they denied you services / products and both of you should face charges if you were provided preferential treatment at the expense of others.</p>
<p>however if you are on the queue and everyone is served equally with the product and services but on if on reaching the service counter the person serving engages you a little more on conversation/pleasantries due to common interests (culture, tribe, sports, gender, etc) without break in service or denying the others or is a little short for the opposite reasons but the product/services are still of the desired standard then i venture to say that is acceptable.</p>
<p>my point is &#8211; in order to deal with negative ethnicity/tribalism and other discriminatory practice we need to focus not so much on the diversity but on establishing the minimum acceptable standards for product and service delivery to clients/customers. once that is achieved, everything else is immaterial. you will notice that is the emphasis in countries dealing with race or religious issues, that way it does not matter whether the guy serving hates you or loves you, the product/service received is of the quality or standard expected</p>
<p>sorry had to repeat myself in there several times for the sake of clarity, many tend to misunderstand my brants (blog rants)</p>
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